06 October 2008

queerly yours

This is an uncomfortable topic, but something that has been on my mind for some time. So I thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

For some time now, I have not considered myself heterosexual. I informed J. of this fact several months back, somewhat precipitously, with no forewarning. I thought he'd take it okay, and he did. He's asked me to explain why I feel this way and how that feeling manifests, but he doesn't seem to feel threatened. He knows our love is solid. He seems willing to accept me with all my odd, occasionally queer little quirks. He even accepts it totally free of the leering about ménage à trois that seems endemic to the species. Miraculous.

It's hard for me to figure out exactly what this means, and if it really has to mean anything at all. It's even hard for me to explain how I came to realize this basic truth about myself. I got married at 19. I had my first child at 20 and my second at 22. J. is the only person with whom I've had a committed sexual relationship. I plan to spend my life with him. But it remains true that if certain circumstances had been different, I probably would have at least tried to be with a woman at some point in my life. What circumstances would have to be different? If I hadn't married so young. If I hadn't been a Mormon. If I hadn't been married or Mormon when I became a sexual person. If I'd identified and removed internal bigotry against homosexuality before getting married or becoming a Mormon or becoming a sexual person. In short, if I'd lived an entirely different life.

I wonder if these boundaries aren't simply looser between women, because we're allowed to experience a depth of closeness that is usually forbidden for men (lest they become gay!). We're allowed to touch, to share a bed, to experience intense intimacy. From my many discussions of this issue with other women, I find that almost everyone has experienced a closeness with women that transcends simple friendship. Many women I know sort of wish they could be gay, because they have all of their other needs fulfilled by women, and men are so confusing and bastardly. It would be so much simpler, these women say, if the sexual part worked somehow, but most of them have never tried, and those who have simply cannot maintain those relationships. It might be easier, privately, to be a lesbian, but it's pretty damn hard to be a public homosexual.

Over the years, I've come to believe that there is no such thing as a sexual binary. Sure, some people might be 100% "gay" or 100% "straight," but I think most people fall somewhere on a continuum. I think it's more natural for people to run somewhere in the middle, but we are almost always prevented from expressing desires that are socially unacceptable, so, just as children become rigidly engendered to their sex through socialization, we become rigidly heterosexual. I can't identify myself as heterosexual or homosexual because neither of these terms describes me entirely. I've never touched or kissed a woman in passion. I probably never will. But when I think about the possibility of losing J. in some way, through death or divorce, I can't see myself ever being with a man again. And I believe that, had I never met J., had I left the church on my own, had I eradicated that bigotry, I probably would have ended up with women. It's not because I hate men, though I suspect that I'll never meet anyone even remotely as awesome as the one I married. It's because I prefer women. This is a theory and not a practice.

I don't feel any lack in my marriage. I don't wish I was with a woman, or fantasize about women, or feel constrained or resentful because I'm with a man. My attraction to women is irrelevant to this partnership because I'm with a person, not a set of genitals. But it's still something I'm struggling to integrate. I don't know what to do with this information. It's nebulous and ambiguous and confusing and maybe even embarrassing, that I would feel this unbudging truth and not have any idea where it came from or what purpose it holds for me, or if I'm even allowed to have it, when I have no intimate experience (so to speak) with its consequences, and no desire to seek it.

I suppose this brings up the question of "choice" that conservatives love to throw around like broken glass. I am choosing to be with a man although I know I am more attracted to women. I have friends who consider themselves lesbians, or who were lesbians in the past, who now live with men. Doesn't this mean that homosexuals can choose to be straight? Or at least to give it the ol' college try? I believe that the continuum is the answer to this question. Some people might be able to choose to be straight, but others probably can't. I think it's a fair question to ask a rigidly "straight" person if s/he could choose. I think that most of us believe our attractions are innate. I think most of us are right.

I don't think I've chosen to be attracted to women. I think I'm simply accepting something that has been true about me all along. I suppose that I am choosing not to act on that attraction. But I don't think that "not acting" or "choosing otherwise" are necessarily the right answers for everyone. Why should the default be heterosexuality? The default should be a positive, loving, beautiful relationship. The default should be happiness. Full stop.

Maybe, deep inside, we're all a little bit queer. But then again, maybe queer is as queer does? What do you think?

34 comments:

Katie said...

"It's hard for me to figure out exactly what this means, and if it really has to mean anything at all."

I think this is right, for now. From what you have written here and in the past, you have a strong belief in committed relationships, so you don't need to concern yourself with the application of this unless something ever happens to Jeremy.

I don't think I've ever had that intimacy that goes beyond friendship with a woman. Actually, I'm sure I haven't -- I've barely even had female friends before. I never open myself up enough to get close.

Steve-o said...

If you haven't watched it, you should check out the movie "Kinsey". Kinsey's research confirmed the idea you proposed that most of us are neither 100% heterosexual nor 100% homosexual. For most people, their thoughts, tendencies and behaviors are somewhere in between--even if it's just for curiosity's sake. Few of us, however, are willing to admit this because of societal/cultural norms. I'd certainly place myself in the "curiosity" area, simply because I'm curious about the dynamics of a homosexual relationship, though I assume that they're no different than a heterosexual relationship, for the most part. I probably just wonder because I'm not in a homosexual relationship, and will likely never be in one. I never say never to anything any more, but this is extremely unlikely for me.

Fascinating post and thoughts. Thanks.

wrongshoes said...

I've gone back and forth on this issues. I think for me it depends on my hormones. I recently watched The L-Word series (which I loved) and was convinced some part of me was a lesbian (I've never been with a woman either). Then, continuing on the theme I'm watching Queer as Folk. Not quite as good a show, but I've decided I'm definitely attracted to men as well - the cute ones anyway. :-)

Chandelle said...

Katie, you're right. I do have a very strong commitment to my marriage and to committed relationships in general. This isn't anything I plan to "do something" about; it's just information I'm working through.

Steve-o, I haven't seen the movie, but I read a lot about Kinsey in college. I think I've even seen a mapped-out continuum like what I'm talking about here. Maybe I should find one and post it in there.

wrongshoes, I love "The L Word" too! I think I've said before, it's totally my guilty pleasure show. I don't think it's realistic at all. I mean, so many femmes in one place at one time, all doing each other? :) I tried "Queer as Folk" but I really didn't like it at all. It seemed much more superficial. I definitely do find men attractive. O just don't know how many of them I feel attracted to, if that makes sense. I told Jeremy, "You're the only man I'm attracted to, except Dexter [from the HBO show]." He feels the same way about me, so I guess we can get along. :)

mfranti said...

do you always have to steal my post ideas? serioulsy?

do you have a way to read my mind?

damn you woman!


great post. i only wish i wasn't so damn lazy to beat you to it.

M

Chandelle said...

Oh, are you coming out too, Mel? :)

Seriously, go write it. Everything's been done before, there's no shame in repeating.

wrongshoes said...

Yeah, there aren't that many men or women I'm attracted to, actually. And both the men and women I find attractive tend to be androgynous-ish. I also heart Dexter.

Maybe you should write a post about your attraction to psychopaths.

Chandelle said...

Definitely agree with you on androgyny. Jeremy is very male in appearance but fully androgynous in personality.

I might write such a post, but then I'd have to designate this blog "for adult audiences only." I'm trying to think of the children.

angryyoungwoman said...

I've been attracted to both men and women all of my life, though I've never had a sexual relationship with either because of the mormon thing. Though I've had longer romantic relationships with men, I've gone further with women physically and emotionally. I'm probably more attracted to women both physically and emotionally, too. This is actually something I've given a lot of thought. I completely agree with you about there being some sort of continuum of hetero-homosexuality.

Kalola said...

I think it is natural to be attracted to someone of the same gender. What you are referring to is, I believe, bi-sexuality. I find myself attracted to certain women, and my DH finds himself attracted to certain men. Many years ago, both of us acted on our curiosity about same-sex intimacy. Having experienced what we did, we both found that our preference is the intimacy we have with each other.

Chandelle said...

AYW, I'm relieved to know I'm not the only one who thinks about these things. And hey, anything to find more things in common with another man-hating bra-burner like me. ;)

Kalola, that's very interesting. I'm not sure whether I would agree with the assessment of bisexuality, again referring to the continuum...how many people are exactly half and half? I recently heard the term omnisexual and that makes sense. Thanks for sharing your experience with your husband. Very interesting that so many people are in opposite-sex relationships in which both partners are attracted to the same sex,

djinn said...

I suspect that female sexuality is much more fluid than male sexuality. It seems to me that the idea of the Kinsey scale makes much more sense for women than for men. We are flexible. Did any of you see the monograph on pornography and women? We're all turned on by female bodies, not so much by men. On film, at least. Not to say some women are only attracted to women, or men--but I suspect that most of us (as per porn study) really dig other women.

But men seem to have an actual unchangeable preference. Complete with, you know , those little private preferences. Thank goodness;my ex and my dear love partner both strongly prefer women with my (not in fashion) body type. Yay!

Chandelle said...

OMG, the lovely djinn is visiting MY blog?! I'm so honored!

I haven't seen the study you're talking about, but I have seen a lot of porn in my life, and I do remember observing women more than men. I remember wondering, being so young, if that meant I was gay. Apparently not, though. Maybe it's just because women's bodies are lovely, and men's bodies are...well. I won't say they're ugly, because they're beautiful in their own way. But I think we tend to be much more intrinsically attracted to softness, lushness, smoothness, because they are simply more youthful and vibrant. And these aren't standard features of your everyday Ron Jeremy, am I right? So perhaps it's simple aesthetics and the five senses that attract everyone to women.

xJane said...

Welcome out, chandelle :)

I'm intrigued by your speculation about the fluidity of female sexuality & the possible cultural influences that affect it. My best friend in high school and I shared a bed all through high school & partially into college—we never thought anything about it. Same with my cousin—I think we only stopped because now I'm married (and three people in a bed is less comfortable?). We used to take baths together—recently enough that we can remember it—and are still completely comfortable being naked around each other (or talking on the phone while on the toilet).

Aside from the male fantasies, there are many cultural influences on girls (more so than women, but women, too) to be "closer" to girl friends than boys are culturally allowed to be to boy friends.

Is this a function of female sexuality—are we really the more sexual of the species? Or would more men be comfortable with homosexuality if they were allowed to be "close" in ways similar to the ways that women are?

Chandelle said...

I do believe that there is far more discomfort for male homosexuality than for lesbianism. Perhaps it's partly because lesbianism - or rather, women having sex with each other - has been so fetishized in our porn culture. I can't count how many times I've heard, "Hey, it's all right for women, even hot, but men? That's just gross." This pervasive double standard does speak at least in part to the fact that men are not allowed to have close relationships the way women are. Your descriptions with your best friend and cousin sound completely innocuous to me and I think most others respond that way as well. But men taking a bath together? Being naked together? Sharing a bed?

I don't think we're more sexual than men. I think the fluidity of female sexuality is because we're allowed to experience a fuller range of emotions. Except anger or derision, of course. :) Because of our fuller range of emotions and our common and acceptable experiences of intimacy and physical closeness with other women, we're perhaps simply more aware of our attractions to women. Perhaps all those activities that "make men gay" really DO make them gay, or simply more amenable to relationships that fall outside of cultural expectations.

G said...

GREAT post, chandelle!
I think you'r right about the fluidity of sexuality, it being more of a sliding scale than black and white. This reminds me of the conversation I had with my mother when I told her i supported Same Sex Marriage and she asked me "are you gay?" (and she was serious) All I could say was "I prefer men, and I'm committed to DH." Which she didn't like, she wanted a direct yes/no (preferably NO).

I gotta admit, while I DO prefer men (i like the largness of them, strenght, muscles, whatever) I have wondered about what it would be like to be with a woman.
Perhaps a small factor is that if I kissed a woman it would be much more neutral for my marriage than if I was to ever kiss another man... makes this little fantasy more 'safe'. But that isn't the whole reason.

women are... way interesting!

Chandelle said...

G, I think some people definitely do not like ambiguity, perhaps especially if so much of their life (like as a religious person) is comfortably black & white.

There are definitely wonderful things about being with a man. I think that a lot of the physical differences between men and women is what makes sex work so well, by and large. It does seem like a lot of men feel safer about their women being with another woman versus being with a man. Jeremy says that it could be interpreted one of two ways: 1. You're such a loser as a man, you turned her off of men forever, or 2. She was a lesbian all along and there's nothing you could have done about it. I similarly feel less tense about the idea of Jeremy leaving me for a man or even cheating on me with a man; I mean, it sucks either way, but it seems like it would be less of a comment on you, as a person, if it's homosexual in nature. Make sense?

G said...

yes, makes total sense.

this post is reminding me a lot of my high school years, I remember a few times thinking that I might be a lesbian (can't remember why, perhaps a pretty girl that I was intimidated/intrigued by) and being TERRIFIED of that fact. Like TOTALLY freaked out because of what that would mean.
I look at that now and am really trying to remember what I thought that would mean... ostracism by my family? ostracism by God?

mostly I just remember that it crossed my mind that I was (it also crossed my mind that I had AIDS- that was weird) and that it scared the hell out of me.

Chandelle said...

Yeah, that's totally been my experience too. I was so infatuated with my best friend in high school, and later she told me that she was bisexual. I remember being so intrigued and having this little fantasy about getting married and settling down together, then thinking, "Oh my God, I can't be a lesbian!" and turning that off entirely. It just wasn't acceptable to me. I had so much bigotry that I really hadn't confronted yet (but give me a break, I was 15). :)

derekstaff said...

In casual discussions with my bishop, a social worker by education and profession, he explained to me that in many ways gender and sexuality are both sliding scales rather than binary poles. Fascinating stuff.

I agree completely with Djinn and you that there seems to be a greater inherent beauty in women than in men, reflected in the greater fascination both sexes have with the female form. When people talk about how men are obviously more visual than women, as evidenced by the fact that men's magazines are filled with images of scantily-clad women, I have to laugh. After all, women's magazines are filled with images of scantily-clad women. The fact that the corporate world is trying to sell women on a costly standard of beauty surely has something to do with it...but it wouldn't work if we didn't all see women as somehow more sensuous and aesthetically pleasing, would it?

Ben said...

"there seems to be a greater inherent beauty in women than in men"

That sounds fairly misandrous to me.

"reflected in the greater fascination both sexes have with the female form"

Go read up on some Greek history and art. You'll find that the reverse was found then, so I think this is mainly socialized. So much for equality...someday the pendulum may swing back to the middle.

Chandelle said...

Ben,

I understand your reaction in referring to Derek's comment as "misandrous," but I really don't think that what his intention. I believe that women tend to be fall more in line with what we, as human beings, observe as beautiful. Women's skin is smoother. Their bodies are softer. They tend to be less hairy - hairiness is not viewed with kindness in our culture. And so on. I don't think it says anything about men than women are held as the fairer sex. I think it just has to do with basic tactile sensation, as I said, the five senses - women are softer, usually smell pretty good, and so on.

You're right about Greek art. I don't know that this says anything about equality, however. I am trying to flip this in my mind and replace all comments here with observations about men. "Men are more inherently beautiful" does sound pretty harsh. But I think, really, that this sort of standard goes both ways. Men are held to the same largely unobtainable standard as women, in the fashion industry. Men in advertisements and movies tend to be extremely fit, tall, clean-shaven or "ruggedly handsome," and largely hairless. Most men simply aren't this way, just as most women don't match the industry ideal and are punished for it. So in terms of equality I think it goes both ways. Men and women both suffer from obtainable ideals and narrow limits on perceptions of beauty.

Ben said...

Chandelle,
Maybe "misandrous" is an overreaction. I'm just sensitive to a lot of the cultural backlash against men.

But beauty really is in the eye of the beholder, and to say that women are "inherently" more beautiful sounds wrong to me. Can you imagine if I said "men are inherently smarter"? That said, you'll get no argument from me that in my eyes women are the fairer sex.

I will say that it's too bad that men have to avoid any real, intimate same-sex relationships, even non-sexualized. Thank goodness for brothers. I've imagined scenarios with other guys, and while it seems theoretically possible, I just don't think there would be any sexual attraction. Yeah, I'm probably a 2 on the Kinsey Scale.

Chandelle said...

Oh, I totally agree. Sometimes I feel really sorry for most guys I know that they seem to have such superficial relationships with other men; certainly there are exceptions, and this is a massive generalization, but this is what I have observed with most of the men I've known. I can't imagine a life without non-sexual intimacy in this way.

derekstaff said...

Actually, Ben, I've studied the Classical world quite a bit. While the general public seems to assume that the preponderance of male statuary in Greek antiquity suggests a homoerotic socialization, many scholars are of the opinion that the focus on the male form simply represents the same sort of protectiveness of womanhood common in the Western world: You don't show women naked because that would be inappropriate and exploitative of women. The Greek world at many times was more prudish than you might think: It might surprise you to find that the Muslim world initially did not insist on veiling their women; they adopted that from the Greek world after conquering the North African coast and closely interacting with Hellenic cultures. It took a few centuries for Classical Greek sculpture to get around that sort of prudishness. Once they did, particularly after the Peloponnesian War, female statuary abounded.

It is also worth noting that much supposedly homoerotic sculpture from the Classical world was actually more religious than "artistic." The phallus was considered a symbol of fertility and luck, and so sculptural representations were very prominently displayed around the household: put in yards like yard gnomes, hung over doorways, etc.

I certainly agree about the need for non-sexual intimacy, and the need to recognize the sliding scale of sexuality. But I don't think there is anything wrong with acknowledging that, just as we seem to be programmed to find the physical characteristics of infants attractive, we also seem to be programmed to find the physical characteristics of women more attractive--aesthetically pleasing.

Chandelle said...

Whoa. I totally want a phallus sculpture to put over my doorway. :)

Ben said...

Well, I'll definitely defer to you on Greek art. But there was definitely a homosexual subculture there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

Which seems to be analogous to the lesbian focus in pop culture today. I'm just saying that finding women or men more appealing on a general level (and I'm not specifically talking about sexual orientation) is more socialized than we think.

derekstaff said...

Chandelle, ever since I learned about the phallic ornamentation, garden gnomes have looked entirely different to me...

Ben, there certainly was a homoerotic subculture in Classical Greece. And homosexual activity was in ancient Greece much more widely accepted than it is today (very similar, from what I understand, to the acceptance of homosexual activity in Medieval Japan). Pederasty was even commonly accepted as part of the formal mentoring relationship of the Paideia system.

But we must still bear in mind that the homosexual subculture, for all its acceptance, was still a subculture. It was not the dominant mode of society, nor do most experts believe that it strongly impacted the artistic world. The primary reason male statuary dominates is because it was considered unseemly and provocative to so outwardly display female nudity for much of the classical period.

Raquel said...

Whoa. I totally want a phallus sculpture to put over my doorway.

one of my friends (who incidentally lives close to you) has a giant ceramic vulva in her front yard made by an artist friend of ours while at byu. you can't miss it when you pass by. most people who see it, lean on it, and have no idea they're "fondling" an enormous yoni. anyway, it's a happy thing for us.

Chandelle said...

I definitely have to see that.

G said...

k, it's official- I totally need to get some giant gential sculptures for my yard!

Jér said...

As a gay man who falls at about a five or so on the Kinsey scale, I can say quite confidently that I do not prefer female beauty over male beauty. Not that there is anything wrong with such a preference, of course...

Also, I'm reading through an alumni survey BYU just sent me. I think I would have enjoyed my time as a student there far more if I had spent it crafting giant ceramic models of genitalia.

jeremy said...

So where is the dividing line set? Do you have to be at least a 5 on the Kinsey scale to find men more "inherently beautiful" than women? Are there any other gay men out there who want to chime in on this? Does this basic appreciation for male beauty contribute to your sexual orientation?

I embrace ambiguity in my sexuality (somewhere between 2 and 3) and feel more "one way" or "the other" depending on the day, and usually find more beauty in the female form than the male. Again, depending on the day, I can see this being different. Then again, maybe I just haven't seen enough naked men in my day to make a sound judgment on this one.

A broader question, and maybe I should have brought this up before when people were actually likely to read this: what is it that makes us identify one way or the other, or to recognize ambiguity in our identification? Is it about being able to connect more with one sex or the other in a relationship? Is it this recognition of beauty in form? Is it constructed from social expectations of what one or another gender is supposed to be like? Is it about what kind of sex you prefer?

Vesper de Vil said...

I am also queer, and I'm currently in a committed relationship with a man. I also got married at 19, had a child at 21, separated at 24, divorced at 27.